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NORMAN MAILER
142 COLUMBIA HEIGHTS
Down Alexord
BROOKLYN NY 11201
phone: 718-858-0892
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office
28 December 1994
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The President
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington DC 20500-2000
Dear Mr. President:
In your letter of December 6, you asked in effect what
the themes might be if I were to do an interview with you for
Esquire and since answers don't come tripping to my tongue,
let me see if I can find the ground for a dialogue by circling
around it. Years ago, having done a book on the flight of
Apollo 11 to the moon, I was still trying to convince Neil
Armstrong to talk to me and finally I dropped all modesty and
wrote that there were many who thought I was the best
journalist in America, and by analogy I suggested to him that
he would never let any commercial airline pilot, no matter how
good, get near the controls of the LEM that would touch down
on the moon, yet he was willing to be written about by good
journeyman reporters, and Armstrong wrote back and said "Dear
Mr. Mailer--your arguments are most cogent but I think the
answer still is no."
Well, once a philosopher, twice a pervert: I'm trying
the same approach again. I think you owe it to yourself to
have one of our best American writers--myself humbly
nominated--to take a shot at interpreting your Presidency and
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yourself. My feeling, and it's paramount, is that the public
needs a fresh look. If there's time, and I certainly respect
how little you have for diversion, I'd propose that you take a
look at my Esquire piece on Madonna which I wrote at a point
when she was at a relatively low ebb in her fortunes, and I
swear I think I did her some good, because she came through in
the piece as independent and surprisingly intelligent and
feisty and funny; in sum, an honest woman. The point is that
it was a new look at her since I do have my way of seeing
people and I prefer it to the media way.
So I would propose a dialogue between us of an hour in
length, ideally two, in which we would discuss a variety of
topics, many of them, preferably, not political, but wide
enough and open enough for you to be seen in the breadth of
your interests, your more intense concerns, your preferences,
your biases--let the public see you for once as a human being
rather than as a public servant and/or politician.
The way I
it, we would talk and transcribe the talk,
and the tone, while generally amiable, would hardly be
sycophantic. Naturally, I have disagreements with you, and a
couple of them are serious, Cuba for one, but I do think that
over the whole you have not only been treated abominably by
the media but that there were profound social reasons for the
swell of rage in American life that focussed itself unfairly
upon you, and I want to give my writing attention to that.
You would hardly have to be the active complainant on such
matters I'm the one who's outraged at the treatment you were
given. In fact, I might wish to start the piece by recounting
this joke:
The Pope and Bill Clinton are in a rowboat and the Pope's
high white mitre blows off. Bill Clinton leaps out of the
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mitre
boat, walks on the water, picks up the Repair hat and walks
back to return the Pope to his hat. Next day, the headlines
read: BILL CLINTON CAN'T SWIM.
If we're going to do it, can I propose sometime this
January or the first two weeks of February?
Cheers,
Numen Mailer
Collection WJC-OSS
Records of the Office of Staff Secretary (Clinton Administration)
1993 – 2001
Series
Todd Stern's Files
1993 – 1997
FileUnit
[Norman Mailer Interview Request]